Conversations about building businesses that give you room to breathe.
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About the Show
The Show is Second Spring's podcast about what it means to run an independent business in 2026. Not the hustle narrative. Not the scale-at-all-costs playbook. The real stuff: how to build something sustainable, meaningful, and yours.
We talk to founders, makers, and independent professionals who've chosen a different path—people who said no to venture capital, who work four-day weeks, who build for longevity instead of exits. People redefining what success looks like when you're not chasing someone else's metrics.
Each conversation explores the practical realities and philosophical questions of independent work: How do you price your time? When do you say no to growth? What does ownership really mean when AI is part of your process? How do you build a business that supports the life you want, instead of the other way around?
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Dylan Clancy
Dylan knows what it costs to run a small business - he built one. Co-founder of Nativ Café in White Salmon, WA, he came to Second Spring through friendship, not a job post. His obsession is the people and visions behind independent businesses, and why they deserve better than what they've been given.
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